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FISA - where we stand in the Senate.

Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 06:50:47 PM PDT

When i logged on and brought up a CSPAN2 feed friday morning I was greeted with something no one should have to see or hear in the a.m. without sufficient girding of the loins. Kit Bond.

Shudder.

He was talking FISA.

mcjoan, before whom we all bow down on this issue, was gracious enough to baby me with this set of notes on the amendments

       * Four non-controversial amendments will pass on unanimous consent--they won't require a vote. These include Feingold's amendment requiring Congress see FISC rulings for the past five years, Whitehouse and Kennedy amendments allowing for acquisition to continue during government appeal and emphasizing prohibitions on domestic targeting, and a Bond amendment that eliminates a 7-day deadline for the FISC.
       * Eight amendments subject to up or down, simple majority votes.
             o Two from Bond, the most important one which does loosen current restrictions would allow surveillance without a warrant in cases that involve the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.
             o The critical telco amnesty amendment by Feingold/Dodd which strips the provision providing for telco amnesty from the current bill--this is going to get two hours of debate.
             o Whitehouse-Specter is the follow-up if Feingold-Dodd doesn't pass. It will also get two hours. It substitutes the government for telcos being sued for their participation in the warrantless wiretapping program, but only if the company is first determined by the FISA Court to have cooperated with the Bush Administration reasonably and in good faith.
             o Three Feingold amendments that raise the bar for the government to prove that they are after foreign intelligence and one that gives the FISC power to order surveillance stopped if the government's application is deficient.
             o A Feingold-Webb amendment that prohibits the use of illegally obtained information. Bulk collection (Feingold): Requires the government to certify to the FISA Court that it is collecting communications of targets for whom there is a foreign intelligence interest.
       * Four amendments that require a 60 vote margin. These are Whitehouse's amendment on minimization, the process of weeding out data obtained about U.S. persons and destroying it. This amendment would grant the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court the discretionary authority to not only approve minimization rules but to review their implementation. Two from Feinstein that allow FISC to review the AG's declaration that the telcos acted in good faith before they get their immunity and a second that makes FISA the exclusive means of foreign surveillance. Finally, Cardin has an amendment to sunset the law in four years as opposed to six.

       * Feingold's S 3979, which prevents communication collection if the government knows beforehand that communication is to or from a person believed to be in the U.S.
       * Feingold's reverse targeting, S 3913, which prohibits the government from getting around FISA's court order requirement by wiretapping an individual overseas when it is really interested in a person in the U.S. with whom that supposed foreign target is communicating.
       * Feingold's Specific Individual Target test, S 3912, which prohibits bulk collection and requires the government to certify to the FISA Court that it is collecting communications of targets for whom there is a foreign intelligence interest.
       * Feingold's Use Limits, S 3915: gives the FISA Court discretion to impose restrictions on the use of information about Americans that is acquired through procedures later determined to be illegal by the FISA court.
       * Dodd/Feingold's S 3907, which strips telco amnesty from the bill.
       * Whitehouse/Specter's substitution, S 3927 which substitutes the government for telcos being sued for their participation in the warrantless wiretapping program, but only if the company is first determined by the FISA Court to have cooperated with the Bush Administration reasonably and in good faith.
       * Feinstein's S 3919, which would allow FISC to review the AG's declaration that the telcos acted in good faith before they get their immunity.

And she has several other posts with good call to action information. here is just one.

For those of you who missed it thursday, after the stimulus package voting was finished, the senate blasted through two amendments. 3915 and 3913, the use limits and the reverse targeting amendments respectively, both Feingold's babies and both failed. Badly. Scold your back-stabbing senator if they were one of yours. here is where the voting records can be found.

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Dems voting no:
3915                           3913

Inouye                        Inouye
Lincoln                        Lincoln
Bayh                           Feinstein
Landrieu                     Landrieu
Pryor                           Pryor
Rockefeller                  Rockefeller
Johnson                      Johnson
Carper                         Salazar
                             
Not Voting: 3913 - Clinton (ugh), Obama (ugh), Nelson and Dorgan
           3915 - Clinton, Obama, Nelson

Lincoln switched a no vote to a yes on 3915 at the end when she saw it wasn't going to pass (so i included her on the no list, she's not getting by on this one).

Nelson (NE) came on record saying that even though he missed the vote he would've voted no on both, double ugh.
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Reid had made time for these two amendments. Although he had alluded to there being a third initially, he pulled it within a couple of seconds of saying it. Then, in about a 3 minute span after the first two went down, Bond brought up his and Rock's substitute amnesty amendment and it got tabled, i think, this was chaotic and some of us thought it somehow got voice voted in, but looking over the senate recap it looks like it was brought then tabled before a vote was tallied, someone better on procedure might want to address this.

Reid's announced schedule was friday and monday for debate, tuesday will be votes. He stressed he wanted to finish in time for the expected reconciliation work with the House to be done by Friday's sunset deadline. Importantly, he also reserved 4 hours for Dodd, which should give Dodd his filibuster opening if needed. Nothing happened friday, Bond spoke some in the morning then the muzak played, some folks blathered about nothing, then Reid came out and adjourned the senate until monday. Notably, he set voting to begin on tuesday at 10am. We should be ready to start calling and liveblogging monday morning.

My take on the Bond/Rock sub amnesty amendment, and someone please please correct me if they think otherwise, is that originally this amendment was meant to be held out until after the Dodd amnesty amendment as a way of splitting off potential voters for that. But it looked like Bond wanted to bring it up earlier after seeing how easily Feingold's first two amendments went down, possibly to get that passed then call for cloture to prevent Dodd from filibustering - Call your senators!

And start calling your reps, too. Bush may still veto this sucker even with the Bond/Rock amendment in it, he's said he will, but that may just have been him bluffing to prevent all the other amendments. Either way, we shouldn't count on it. We should start lubing up our reps for when we have to start working them to stand firm on their version of the bill.

SmileySam has a good post update on the House's mustering of the troops to start holding firm on this. Encouraging.

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  •  Fire up! (6+ / 0-)

    It might not be a bad idea for someone to think about getting a mothership ready tomorrow (monday) morning.

    The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. - Harlan Ellison

    by eco d on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 06:51:13 PM PDT

    •  Thank you (2+ / 0-)

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      forgore, eco d

      tipped and rec'd

      Unfortunately, I have one Senator who turned on the water for the slip and slide to Mukasey's nom, and another who is busy on the Hallmark channel.

      •  I hear ya (1+ / 0-)

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        pooh74

        I've got Salazar and Allard. Salazar is alternatingly disappointing and stalwart. Lately he's been trending disappointing, especially on this issue. Allard...well, he may as well be a pimple on Bush's butt.

        The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. - Harlan Ellison

        by eco d on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 06:59:07 PM PDT

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  •  So Tuesday's the day. (2+ / 0-)

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    forgore, eco d

    I can't take much more disappointment.  If they can't stop telcom immunity, it may be the last straw.  I may go indy.

    I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

    by beemerr90s on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 06:59:12 PM PDT

    •  I've said it many times before (2+ / 0-)

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      beemerr90s, forgore

      I'm not a single issue voter, but Obama and Clinton win or lose my support on this. It's about which one shows up to do their job and defends the Constitution. I'll vote dem over whatever the rethugs put up, but it'll be  the difference between vocal support and shutting up/holding my nose at the voting both.

      The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. - Harlan Ellison

      by eco d on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 07:13:16 PM PDT

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      •  I couldn't have said it better myself. n/t (1+ / 0-)

        I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

        by beemerr90s on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 07:16:59 PM PDT

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        •  Ok but (1+ / 0-)

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          eco d

          you guys have to understand that before a floor vote, they know if theyre going to need their 2 votes and will call them back.  They don't "need" to be there when they know they are 12 votes shy.

          There are really no surprises on the Senate floor usually.  

          They BOTH will get back if we have 48 on an up/down vote...trust me.

          •  You're right (0+ / 0-)

            they both have been pretty good about this so far. I was mostly making a point. This issue is important to me. I have enough respect for them to think they'd both get back if they knew their votes were needed. What i'd like to see from them is to show up on Monday to lend their weight as well, trying to get some of their endorsers to toe the line could be invaluable.

            The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. - Harlan Ellison

            by eco d on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 07:30:07 PM PDT

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          •  Doesn't much matter to me. (0+ / 0-)

            I'll still vote for the Dem POTUS nominee.  I just may no longer be a Dem.

            I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

            by beemerr90s on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 08:29:52 PM PDT

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  •  I've got Specter and Casey- (1+ / 0-)

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    eco d

    I generally harass Specter as ranking member on the judiciary.  He talks a good game, then bends over and hands GW the K-Y.

    Casey's a freshman and not worth much, near as I can tell.  I guess it's time to call 'em both again.

    Who were the ones that swore an oath to defend the constitution?  Why is it always left up to us Kossacks?

    It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds - Samuel Adams

    by Red no more on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 07:08:57 PM PDT

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